Human cloning
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replied to:  amorze
appoloty
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I oppose cloning, although it has certain advantages, but always give the bad guys an opportunity. Moreover, I advocate natural life and death.
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replied to:  amorze
KennyJames22
Replied to:  There are so many objections to human cloning that I could...
Have you read "The Present" at TruthContest ) com? It is the most clear, complete, and accurate explanation of the ultimate truth that I have found.
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replied to:  Marduc
lucaspa
Replied to:  NO,IS WRONG !!! According to the morphogenetic field theory of Rupert...
Three is considerable data showing that memory is in the connections between neurons, not the DNA. There is no way to incorporate present experiences into DNA. Sheldrake is, unfortunately, wrong.
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lucaspa
Replied to:  Have you read "The Present" at TruthContest ) com? It is...
It's a belief system, not necessarily "truth". For instance, it states:

"The evidence says we evolved as life evolved.

Human beings did not just appear at the top of the evolutionary ladder to reap the benefits of those millions of years of evolution without having to live through it.

In other words, you were those other animals. Someone had to be them."

The evidence states that our species -- Homo sapiens -- evolved from earlier species. However, the evidence contradicts that "we evolved as life evolved". There was no "we" before Homo sapiens evolved. Many of the alleles (forms of genes) that make us Homo sapiens did not exist before our species.

This seems to be close or identical to the Buddhist belief in reincarnation.

"In addition to the fossil evidence, the genetic code proves that all animals, including us, evolved from bacteria over the last 700 million years on earth.

In other words, you were a microbe, an insect, a fish, a dinosaur, an ape..."

No, I was not any of those. My particular combination of alleles did not exist until 62 years ago when the gametes of my father and mother combined during fertilization. After all, I (and you) are the combination of all those alleles. My father has a mutation for 2 renal arteries. I inherited that mutation and also have 2 renal arteries. NONE of the species or individuals before had 2 renal arteries. Therefore, I am unique and was never one of those.

I am not going to dictate what other people believe, but I will object when they label it "truth" and it is contradicted by the evidence.
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replied to:  Yoda55
lucaspa
Replied to:  First, Truth is a statement of existance in its entirety (either...
Truth does not have to be all-encompassing. Of course, you are using "Truth" with a capital T. We can have truths without them being "a statement of existence in its entirety". Truth can be limited to portions of existence when we specify the boundaries. For instance, Boyle's Law is truth within limits of temperature and pressure. Newton's gravity also is truth within limits of acceleration, at higher accelerations/gravity then truth is Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. Nearly all enzymatic reactions are linear within a range of values, but sigmoidal over the entire range. We routinely use that linear portion in assays, keeping within the boundaries.

Also, falsehood is more than the lack of corroborating evidence. It is the presence of contradictory evidence. Read a bit of Karl Popper and look up modus tollens.

"Only with the advent of human beings (whose thinking includes reasoning) does morality stride the stage. "

Nope. Other species have been shown to have morality:
10. MD Hauser, Morals, apes, and us. Discover 21: 50-55, Feb. 2000.Summarizes some studies in monkeys to determine if they have "moral" behavior.
10a Victoria Horner, J. Devyn Carter, Malini Suchak, and Frans B. M. de Waal Spontaneous prosocial choice by chimpanzees PNAS 2011 108 (33) 13847-13851; published ahead of print August 8, 2011, doi:10.1073/pnas.1111088108 Altruistic behavior in chimps.
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lucaspa
Replied to:  Cloning....I am all for it...I don't see how it could be...
Anything but beneficial? You just showed how it is not "beneficial": "The idea of it being possible to create spare body parts is awesome"

Ever see the movie "The Island"? What if the only way to get a spare heart would be to grow up a complete adult clone? Then you harvest that clone for your spare heart?

Remember, we are not talking somatic nuclear transfer where you get an ovum with your DNA and then harvest the embryonic stem cells (ESCs), then use the ESCs to make a heart, lung, liver, etc. in a culture dish. We are talking about a complete walking around body. A clone.

So the essential question is: is that clone a human being with all the "inalienable rights" of human beings, or is it property? Is a clone of yours an offspring or a source of spare parts? Are clones of Michael Jordan people or property of Michael Jordan as owner of a basketball team and now the players on that team?
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art33
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Excuse me but cloning, test tubes, etc has been done for decades by the gods of humans, beasts,creatures, other beings in the universe. Proven facts are there, was purposely meant for humans to stay stupid and unaware.
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